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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:57 am 
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Hi all,

I'm going to be doing a service on my mk2 1.1 auto, which has been converted to run on unleaded and has a VV carb and original Ford electronic ignition, does anyone know what the spark plug gap (NGK) and ignition timing should be set too please, at the moment it's running pretty good with no pinking, so I could just feeler gauge up the plugs as they are now and get a figure but I've not got a strobe light at the moment (for the life of me I can't remember what happened to my old strobe light), so as soon as I've got another, I'll do it then.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:23 am 
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Why mess with it. Don't fix what's not broke.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:45 pm 
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Agreed, leave as is if it's running well.

I guess it does no harm to check the timing.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:27 pm 
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My old Haynes book shows 0.75mm plug gaps.
Timing is 4-star setting as it's the old Haynes covering the early MK2. This shows 6deg, don't forget to remove your vac pipe and plug the end before using the timing light.

You only really learn by tinkering around, can't believe you are still running a VV Carb!! And it works!

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:57 pm 
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dan and ange's XR2 wrote:
My old Haynes book shows 0.75mm plug gaps.
Timing is 4-star setting as it's the old Haynes covering the early MK2. This shows 6deg, don't forget to remove your vac pipe and plug the end before using the timing light.

You only really learn by tinkering around, can't believe you are still running a VV Carb!! And it works!

Hope this helps.

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The cars only done 43k from new, I'd like to replace the VV but unfortunately the car is an Automatic so has a different throttle linkage setup because of the kickdown, I haven't properly looked yet but there is a support bracket on the side of the VV carb which I don't think is on the manual models, so trying to get a replacement Weber with the bracket mountings on will probably be impossible.

Don't worry I have no intentions of fiddling with the timing without a strobe light and if it still runs perfect after the plugs, filters and oil change then I'll just leave it as is until I get a strobe light and then just see what it's running at, so I know in future.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:44 pm 
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I'm going to go against the grain here...

The Ford vv is a good carb.
When in tip top condition.
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Which most aren't now. :(

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:39 pm 
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Jason wrote:
I'm going to go against the grain here...

The Ford vv is a good carb.
When in tip top condition.
:)

Which most aren't now. :(

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Agreed, it was a good carb but certainly not maintenance free!!

Pete, there are other carbs that fitted the Escort that had a throttle kicker diaphragm for the auto box. I can't think of a specific model off the top of my head. I think there was one that looked like the tldm of the later XR2 but with smaller chokes. Weber would have done a direct replacement as the VV was ditched at its earliest convenience!
I have some info on my back-up hard-drive but that is still packed away in the garage after moving house!! That has all the models up to 1990 with carbs and all the settings (bible really)

Sounds like you have a cracking little motor and still as Henry intended. :cool!: :cool!:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:17 am 
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The Weber 32 IBF is the Weber replacement for the ford vv on the fiesta and escort.
I fitted one to the festival and to the Ghia.
Good carbs.

I've never seen one with a throttle kicker though. ( not saying they aren't available though )

Getting a tldm type carb to fit an ohv is going to be a pain.
I've been told the mk3 1.1 manifold and carb will fit the mk2 lump?
I've never managed to track one down though as I was told the mk3 carb was dft esque.
Again.. I've never managed to track one down.
The mk1 manifold doesn't fit either. I tried!
I'm planning to fit a 1.3 mk1 dft to a mk4 escort 1.3 ohv lump.
My solution is to weld a mk2 and mk1 manifold together to make a dft fit an ohv lump.
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I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to fit the throttle kicker off of a VV to the IBF 32.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:27 am 
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Jason wrote:
The Weber 32 IBF is the Weber replacement for the ford vv on the fiesta and escort.
I fitted one to the festival and to the Ghia.
Good carbs.

I've never seen one with a throttle kicker though. ( not saying they aren't available though )

Getting a tldm type carb to fit an ohv is going to be a pain.
I've been told the mk3 1.1 manifold and carb will fit the mk2 lump?
I've never managed to track one down though as I was told the mk3 carb was dft esque.
Again.. I've never managed to track one down.
The mk1 manifold doesn't fit either. I tried!
I'm planning to fit a 1.3 mk1 dft to a mk4 escort 1.3 ohv lump.
My solution is to weld a mk2 and mk1 manifold together to make a dft fit an ohv lump.
....

I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to fit the throttle kicker off of a VV to the IBF 32.

Jason.


Like I said, I've not really had time to properly look at the setup but the bracket seems to be bolted to the drivers side of the carb, I suppose it wouldn't take too much to make another or modify the bracket to bolt to the manifold stud or something in that area, I've had to muck about with linkages and brackets in the past with my old Imps and I didn't really want to do that with this car but I'll have a proper look soon and see what can be done, I have noticed the car isn't brilliant on fuel (show me one that is) it's only done 150 miles and the needle is nearly on the half way mark :evil: and I've not been booting it about either, I expect being an auto doesn't help either as when I'm doing 30mph it's showing 1600rpm, my Citroen C2 does 1000 at 30 in 5th gear.

So what carb is the better out of the Weber IBF or TLM? and do they bolt straight onto the VV manifold?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:21 am 
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The IBF is the VV Weber replacement.

The proper replacement kit comes with all the replacement parts needed to fit it.
A spacer, a stud, Y piece for the fuel lines, fuel line and adaptor wire for the solenoid.
Easy stuff to do if you only get the bare carburettor.

I did make a guide. I can't remember if it was on here or on Retrofiesta..... I need to sort my hosting out for that.......

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:52 pm 
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Jason wrote:
The IBF is the VV Weber replacement.

The proper replacement kit comes with all the replacement parts needed to fit it.
A spacer, a stud, Y piece for the fuel lines, fuel line and adaptor wire for the solenoid.
Easy stuff to do if you only get the bare carburettor.

I did make a guide. I can't remember if it was on here or on Retrofiesta..... I need to sort my hosting out for that.......

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So I take it the Weber TLM won't fit the VV manifold?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:21 pm 
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No.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:54 pm 
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Jason wrote:
No.

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Bugger!

So how easy is it to get a manifold to take the TLM?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:00 pm 
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Cut and weld.
You'd have to have a manifold made up I think.
As I said, as far as I know. There isn't one that fits. Unless the Mk3 1.1 Fiesta has one? :eh:

The TLDM ( TLM ) is a 4 bolt flange setup.
The VV a 2 bolt flange setup.
The VV base area is almost half the size of a TLDM carburettor.

As an idea..
TLM...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:30 am 
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Jason wrote:
Cut and weld.
You'd have to have a manifold made up I think.
As I said, as far as I know. There isn't one that fits. Unless the Mk3 1.1 Fiesta has one? :eh:

The TLDM ( TLM ) is a 4 bolt flange setup.
The VV a 2 bolt flange setup.
The VV base area is almost half the size of a TLDM carburettor.

As an idea..
TLM...
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Ford VV.
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Are you sure you're not getting confused with a different carb Jason, as the photo's I've seen of the TLM shows a 2 bolt fixing, the kit you've shown looks like a DGV to me, according to Webcon the TLM looks like this,

http://www.webcon.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=7586

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172271718874? ... EBIDX%3AIT

And apparently the TLM was fitted to the very later mk2's?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:50 pm 
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Pants wrote:
Jason wrote:
Cut and weld.
You'd have to have a manifold made up I think.
As I said, as far as I know. There isn't one that fits. Unless the Mk3 1.1 Fiesta has one? :eh:

The TLDM ( TLM ) is a 4 bolt flange setup.
The VV a 2 bolt flange setup.
The VV base area is almost half the size of a TLDM carburettor.

As an idea..
TLM...
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Ford VV.
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Jason.


Are you sure you're not getting confused with a different carb Jason, as the photo's I've seen of the TLM shows a 2 bolt fixing, the kit you've shown looks like a DGV to me, according to Webcon the TLM looks like this,

http://www.webcon.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=7586

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172271718874? ... EBIDX%3AIT

And apparently the TLM was fitted to the very later mk2's?

Pete


I've got that fitted to my 950cc

Good carb, except the choke mechanism has a little white roller that wears out over time.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:19 pm 
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Umm?

TLM carb is listed in the mk2 Haynes.
I've "NEVER" seen one on a Fiesta. :eh:

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It's a 1.0 (957cc) carb, have one on my 89 fiesta. Easy to set up and ok on fuel.

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Makes sense.
I've only ever driven ONE 950.
I didn't like like it. It was gutless. :(

Never seen one in a scrapyard either. Strangely..

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TLM x 2 find them great :mrgreen:

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I was wondering when you would post :lol:

Found a pic of your engine bay when looking for info on the tlm. I've got a spare one here, tempted to get a inlet made up for it.

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But the burning question is, does it fit the VV carb manifold????

Or do I have to go with the IBF, if I can solve the bracket problem.

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