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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:34 am 
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Hey guys sorry to do another thread! but I picked my donor car up a 1994 1.8 zetec escort, I test drove it and it was pretty smooth, quick enough for what I need! my question is what would I need wiring wise to make this work ? a fiesta SI loom I have been told? as I assume I cant use my escort loom? can someone talk me through how to get it wired properly to all work, and what loom /ecu I need and what goes where to the stock mk2 loom?

I also understand I need an injection tank/pump is there another way I can make the original tank suitable without cutting it and welding my escorts tank hole in as I am not comfortable doing that at all... rather clear that up.

amazed how smooth it was ! completely thrown a curveball here for me :/

cheers in advanced ,Gavin.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:44 am 
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If you have a working car, you have everything you need to make it work.
Biggest question is does it have a plastic or metal intake?
If it has the plastic one, it won't fit in a fiesta engine bay.

Si loom is required when fitting a car with a none pats ECU and collecting parts separately.

Fit an external fuel swirl pot if you don't want to cut or fit an injection tank.
But be aware it takes more room, an extra pump, wiring and pipework.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:53 am 
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Keeping the EFI is absolutely the way to go IMHO - For value for money, simplicity of the actual conversion and reliability of the converted car fitting it all as it comes from the donor will be well above and beyond any other option.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:58 am 
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Jason wrote:
If you have a working car, you have everything you need to make it work.
Biggest question is does it have a plastic or metal intake?
If it has the plastic one, it won't fit in a fiesta engine bay.

Si loom is required when fitting a car with a none pats ECU and collecting parts separately.

Fit an external fuel swirl pot if you don't want to cut or fit an injection tank.
But be aware it takes more room, an extra pump, wiring and pipework.

Jason.


Hey Jason, I have the ally inlet so we know it should fit. so I can use the wiring and ecu etc from the escort, result. I have read a few old posts on here, but I'm getting confused on what to exactly take from my escort loom and what to splice into my existing loom.. its basically 5 or so wires to get it running ive been told ? sorry I got to ask these questions it seems a no brainer to use what I have really.thanks fella just trying to get the wiring part in my head correct as its not my strong point but I like to persevere .


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:00 am 
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Mannion @ FPE wrote:
Keeping the EFI is absolutely the way to go IMHO - For value for money, simplicity of the actual conversion and reliability of the converted car fitting it all as it comes from the donor will be well above and beyond any other option.


this is what I'm being converted to think! honestly was a nice runner its only the 105 version but still had a kick! and this is my daily would be a no brainer.

just getting confused what I exactly need from my donor escort and where/what needs connecting to the existing fiesta loom.. I'm easily confused until I see the obvious in the day light ha. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:09 am 
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The engine loom will inplug from the escort, so do that and remove it. Where the engine loom plugs into the car - cut the plug ut of the escort. You'll need to fit that into the fiesta so the engne loom plugs into the Fiesta like it did in the Escort.

Fitting the plug into the Fiesta will require you to fit 2 relays and solder a handful of wires. Here is a diagram of what you will need to do in the Fiesta so the Escort loom will plug in and work:

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That's all there is to it.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:36 am 
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Mannion @ FPE wrote:
The engine loom will inplug from the escort, so do that and remove it. Where the engine loom plugs into the car - cut the plug ut of the escort. You'll need to fit that into the fiesta so the engne loom plugs into the Fiesta like it did in the Escort.

Fitting the plug into the Fiesta will require you to fit 2 relays and solder a handful of wires. Here is a diagram of what you will need to do in the Fiesta so the Escort loom will plug in and work:

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That's all there is to it.


cheers for that! really really simplifies it, so basically that loom is 'inside' the car use the other end of my escort plug cut that of , get an ign live from ign switch from the fiesta And put that to escorts plug and solder the rest into the relays as following the diagram above basically? :) then as you say other end of that plug, is plug and play essentially to the bay?

use the stock ecu etc i take it and where would be best to route that? i think i will grab some photos tomorrow just incase , getting baffled with the PATS system as well as my escort donor key has the red chip you can see on the key.. :/

thanks again Gavin


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:34 pm 
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Yea that's it mate and the relays are standard yellows - can rob them from the fusebox of anything at the scrappy.

As for PATS I don't know much about it, others will but I wouldn't have expected a '94 car to have it.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:28 pm 
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L plate was the cross over for the pats system
If your car has a external edis module its non pats
No edis module then it's pats
The pats system on the mk5 escort is external pats system with the module behind the dash on the passenger side with the wiring going over to the drivers side all brown wires
It can be bypassed or wired in


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:21 pm 
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yeah it has PATS then. well I'm currently stripping it so will take it all out and in the new year weigh up the options here as its a lot of wiring to take in for me then :/ either way it will be running a zetec ,carbed infested or injected...:)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:36 am 
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tbh guys I can keep the pats as it is and tape the key and transponder I have read?? so that's that sorted in my head?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:42 am 
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What escort is it ?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:14 pm 
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1995 mk5 ecu code is BALL so has PATs for sure..


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Just discovered that it is obviously pats but i traced the wires from the transponder on the barell and it lead into the ecu (ECU labelled code : BALL) . So no seperate pats box.. Does this mean all i have to do is put the transponder and original key together and hide it away and that should be the dreaded pats system sorted? Thanks in advance Gav

Also took the engine loom out complete today so need to just strip the unecessary back and leave the engine loom wires/plug in place as well :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:28 pm 
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Nothing much wrong with the pats immobiliser system is basically impossible to bypass
I modified the barrel housing to take the later type key so immobiliser is fully functional

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Mannion @ FPE wrote:
The engine loom will inplug from the escort, so do that and remove it. Where the engine loom plugs into the car - cut the plug ut of the escort. You'll need to fit that into the fiesta so the engne loom plugs into the Fiesta like it did in the Escort.

Fitting the plug into the Fiesta will require you to fit 2 relays and solder a handful of wires. Here is a diagram of what you will need to do in the Fiesta so the Escort loom will plug in and work:

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That's all there is to it.



is it the same wiring diagram for the 1.8 zetec loom out of a mk1 mondeo? ive got the full loom including the one in the car, the (blob) ecu and all sensors, i know i cant use the plastic inlet and will be getting one off an escort, i currently have a 1.6 cvh motor in at the moment so i have all the bits needed off that, will the loom be right for the metal inlet or do i need a different loom?


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